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[jsr363-experts] Re: Feature Freeze before Final Draft
- From: Jean-Marie Dautelle <
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- Subject: [jsr363-experts] Re: Feature Freeze before Final Draft
- Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2016 21:33:25 +0200
Hi All,
For getProductUnits/getProductDimensions, my preference goes to
getBaseUnits/getBaseDimensions (more natural to me)
Cheers,
Jean-Marie
On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 6:25 PM, Werner Keil
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Not sure, if that's a good idea?
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Keep in mind, with the whole election and a huge number of EE JSRs all
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facing Renewal Ballot immediately after JavaOne I don't think we get a
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ballot done before the very last moment (since Public Review started in
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January the latest a Final ballot should start was also the end of the
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year) with 10 or more EE JSRs facing Renewal Ballot automatically plus
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there could be new EC members (ratified like V2COM, SouJava or others quite
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rarely, only if a member should no longer wish to participate) to vote on
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it then.
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I'm not afraid either way, even if others than myself should be elected
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(given the ability to participate I have a solid track record, so likely
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run again unless something "very bad" happened with the whole Java EE
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situation and the role of the EC;-) but it would be a hassle to go into
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ballot then, especially if the Java EE situation could escalate and EC
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members may be drawn into a "negative spirit" like in 2007.
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Jean-Marie who hosted that "famous barn F2F" probably knows that best,
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others in the EC like Geir also should, so would we rather try to reach
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Final before that, around the July/August timeframe, and leave Hackathon
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etc. for a possible MR or 2.0 or should we risk getting sucked into that
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sort of "politics" again as 275 partly did? (the Public Review ballot was
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literally a month after the Oracle takeover:
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_acquisition_by_Oracle)
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Happy to hear a quick response by others, Jean-Marie and if they can
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Martin on behalf of major downstream projects like GeoAPI.
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Keep in mind, Patrick stated, using JSR 275 is "half-legal" especially for
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commercial products, so we should also offer them a safe alternative as
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soon as possible.
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Cheers,
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Werner
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On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 6:03 PM, Leonardo Lima
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> Werner,
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> I think it should be best to have the JSR as "almost-final" (I believe
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> that'd be proposed final draft?) by JavaOne. That way, we can still gather
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> input in hackergartens and/or BoFs. We can have everything ready to file
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> for Final just after 1-2 weeks after J1.
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> Regards,
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> Leo.
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> On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 7:48 AM, Werner Keil
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>> Please also review the Spec Document again if you can.
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>> The license paragraph exists for "Evaluation" and "Implementation". Only
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>> when the Final version is approved and released both will go out to
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>> separate download deliverables (see all major new JSRs that went final
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>> like
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>> Money https://jcp.org/aboutJava/communityprocess/final/jsr354/index.html,
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>> JCache, etc.)
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>> For the Proposed Final Draft only the "Evaluation" part is relevant.
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>> Aside from brushing up to SPI changes, I added another Use Case chapter
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>> on DevOps and Cloud. Quite a hot topic and thanks to being picked up by
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>> PCP/Parfait with the latest releases it is of course a good thing to
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>> mention (aside from everyone staring at or rushing to the Cloud right
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>> now;-)
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>> We aim for Code-freeze of the API and RI pretty much around June 30/July
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>> 1 (if there was any issue or significant input for changes we still have
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>> the weekend)
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>> July 4 is a holiday in the US, so PMO would not process anything before
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>> the 5th, so around then looks good to submit it. Depending on how fast
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>> it's
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>> put online, the community and EC members may see it before the EC call on
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>> July 12th, but the Proposed Final Draft is just for review, no ballot
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>> yet. JSR 354 had its PFD on March 13 and Approval Ballot on April 28.
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>> Final
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>> was out exactly 2 months later on May 13. Even if JavaOne was to snub and
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>> ignore it again (unlike the Awards) or Oracle ended up with a "JDK
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>> Personality Show" while the community looks for other forums like DevoXX,
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>> etc. a Final date ideally before JavaOne looks best and looking at 354
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>> doable.
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>> There's a Creation Review for Java SE 9 Umbrella (actually right now)
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>> and JSON-B has a Public Review Ballot at the end of July. So it could be
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>> best to aim at a nearby date, otherwise there are not too many ballots
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>> JSR 330 (Dependency Injection) showed, there seems almost no rule for a
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>> minimum PFD duration. It went out on Sep 22 followed by the ballot
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>> starting
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>> only a week later on Sep 29. I'd say at least 14 days could be good in our
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>> case if asked, if you think we should take longer, please advise.
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>> Cheers,
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>> Werner
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